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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 18, 2010 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-03-18.sbd.unknown.254.sbeok.shnf

They coughed up a handful of semi-good tunes after '77, but for my money "Fire" was the last truly great Garcia-Hunter effort. Of course, some folks think it was more like the begining of the end. In any case, it was 33 years ago today...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 19, 2010 10:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

Are you saying Day Job is not a truly great Garcia / Hunter effort??!?!?!?!?

;~)

Just kidding of course.

Agree completely with Althea and for me Shakedown Street is one of the greats and it is Post SB > Fire.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 19, 2010 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

I admit my labeling of "Fire" as the last truly great Hunter-Garcia tune is totally subjective- but even if I were to bump tunes like "Shakedown" and "Althea" from the good to great category, the pickins are still pretty slim after '77.

(I always thought "Shakedown" was a misguided attempt to stay current during the disco era, though it evolved into a serviceable vehicle for jamming).

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Mar 19, 2010 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

Yeah I recall referring to the Shakedown Street album as Disco Dead - the tune itself became a powerful funky tune. I think Lowell George had a very positive influence with this one.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Mar 18, 2010 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

Mickey Hart is the man behind that song. It was originally his own song "Happiness is Drumming", the music & lyrics essentially fell into place within the framework he created.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd76-06-28.shure.minches.18388.sbeok.shnf

This post was modified by DeadRed1971 on 2010-03-18 22:02:18

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 18, 2010 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

what about Althea? one of their best tunes imo bar none and that came after Fire.

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Poster: gumby69 Date: Mar 19, 2010 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

Agreed. Althea is probaly my favorite Jer tune. I listen everyday religiously and never get sick of it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 18, 2010 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

Althea remains one of my favorite tunes by the GD - one reason to vist the "later" years.

Fire is fun musically, but lyrically? I don't think it is one of the stonger efforts. Then again, the words are just filler most of the time (heresy!)

"more than ashes"

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 18, 2010 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

Define "later years" BD. I too love Althea but when garcia went to that acoustic sounding guitar I think this tune suffered. Didn't sound the same and the power of the jamming was gone.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 18, 2010 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

post Keith - the Brent years. I don't listen to anything after Brent. While I like some Hornsby shows, and do respect Bruce and his contributions, I can't handle Vince. I'm sure he was a nice man, but he was not a good fit for the band. Then again, he was asked to intervene in a trainwreck at that point.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 18, 2010 2:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

I agree. I think the 10-27-91 althea is the last great version.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 19, 2010 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

that's the one I was going to list. One of the all time great versions period imo

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 18, 2010 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

Yes, it came after "Fire', but to me "Althea" is simply a good tune- not a great one.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 18, 2010 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

guess we disagree on that one I think Althea is a great one. hmm this could be a subject in itself huh? What constitutes a great song? I love the groove to Fire but lyrically there's not a whole lot other than the chorus being repeated over and over, and musically it's not like it really goes some incredible place ( imo ) like Dark Star, Playin, Bird Song, etc. Don't get me wrong I love the tune

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 18, 2010 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

I agree that could be a good topic- what separates a good song from a great one? The groove? The jamming? Some intangible?

For me "Fire" is one of those tunes that is greater than the sum of its parts. While it may not be their most inventive tune, I think it packs an enormous sonic punch as a live vehicle.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 18, 2010 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=292018

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Mar 18, 2010 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

Ha! I should have known I'd heard that phrase somewhere before.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 18, 2010 6:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

Althea is right up there with their greatest songs. It is simply otherworldly.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Mar 19, 2010 12:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

Althea is one of my favs but it's not a song that opened up to jamming. Maybe that's the issue -- there was no song that stretched out after S>F.

I'll ignore the artificially drawn out Terrapin, which is nice if it stayed in the length of Shakedown Street.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Mar 18, 2010 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

As someone who doesn't much care for post 1973,, I find Althea to be not only musically intricate but lyrically interesting. The multiple referants and the general tone of the piece harkens back to the early 70s. Kind of like Crazy Fingers.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Mar 18, 2010 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TIDH- When Scarlet Met Fire

ghostofpig: ..it's been a while. .for whatever it's not worth, "Althea" reminds me of "Loser."

I sincerely hope you are doin' well,
--- AshesRising

PS: didn't realize others had already written about "Althea" ...sill as computer-illiterate as ever!

This post was modified by AshesRising on 2010-03-18 19:14:38